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Hans

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The Red Menace Chronicles
« on: April 30, 2020, 09:24:06 PM »
My lovely XL600R, still giving me grief.  Hard starting and stalling.  I've had the carbs out twice this spring, getting pretty good at it.  I've replaced the pilot screw, the tip on the old one was bent and the oring shot.  After that it started on the third kick, but the setting was way out of wack with the screw 2 turns out.  Finally got the idle to settle and the screw seemingly to the right spot which was another couple of turns out.  Was idling for a bit, then it just died.  Started right up again, held the idle for another couple minutes then died. I chucked the plate on it and ran it around the neighbourhood a couple times.  Felt kind of slushy like it was overfuelled.  Got it home, turned it off.  Put the screw in a turn (leaner) and couldn't get it to start.  Turned the screw out a turn it started but would die after about 5 seconds and then be hard to start.  I have a new theory, I need to go to a larger pilot jet so I can turn the pilot screw in more.  The pilot screw is so far out that a quarter turn goes from too lean to too rich.  The screw has a couple shoulders on it, the specs say any where from 1.5 to 3 turns out, it's at least 5 turns out to start.  Anyone want to chime in on this theory.  Of course that last time the carbs were out, I didn't check the size of the pilot jet, I think I can get to it with the carbs still in the bike.
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Re: The Red Menace Chronicles
« Reply #1 on: May 02, 2020, 07:37:52 PM »
If you want to do a 'deep clean' take the the carb completely apart and I'll put it in my ultrasonic cleaner for an hour.  I have a little 2.5 liter cleaner that does 1 carb at a time.

Might help. 

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Re: The Red Menace Chronicles
« Reply #2 on: May 04, 2020, 09:08:19 PM »
So, here is the latest.  Took the bike for a good ride.  For the first 10 minutes, runs great, idles perfectly.  After that, it starts to occasionally pop while idling, then eventually just shut off.  I'm now 3/4 way convinced that it is electrical.  My researches have suggested that maybe I have a failing stator, it's apparently a common problem with XL600Rs.  The resistance measures low compared to the specs.  The ignition coil measures perfectly within spec.  So the dilemma is whether I throw my hat at a new stator.  They ain't cheap.
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« Reply #3 on: May 05, 2020, 10:18:18 AM »
So, here is the latest.  Took the bike for a good ride.  For the first 10 minutes, runs great, idles perfectly.  After that, it starts to occasionally pop while idling, then eventually just shut off.  I'm now 3/4 way convinced that it is electrical.  My researches have suggested that maybe I have a failing stator, it's apparently a common problem with XL600Rs.  The resistance measures low compared to the specs.  The ignition coil measures perfectly within spec.  So the dilemma is whether I throw my hat at a new stator.  They ain't cheap.
I hope this isn't a dumb question/comment because I did not go online to look up information on your bike first.  Many trail bikes rely on the stator to directly charge the coils.  Older street legal trail bikes then had additional windings on the stator to charge a battery for the lights.  If that's what you have it may be your stator and you have to take the plunge.  If not, and your battery is staying charged, it would make no sense to think its your stator.

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Re: The Red Menace Chronicles
« Reply #4 on: May 05, 2020, 12:20:07 PM »
Yeah, this silly thing has 3 circuits.  The ignition circuit, a DC circuit for the battery, and an AC circuit for the headlight.  Headlight only on when the engine runs.  Battery for the dash, signal, and tail lights.
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« Reply #5 on: May 05, 2020, 05:07:53 PM »
Didn't Rusty Bucket have a situation where a coil (coils) measured perfect on the bench but failed when they warmed up (or something like that)?
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« Reply #6 on: May 05, 2020, 10:46:20 PM »
I seem to recall something about that.  On my old GSX400, I replaced the coils with ones from a slightly more modern GSXR750.  The originals would crap out when they got hot.  Then I replaced the regulator/rectifier unit with one from a Yamaha.
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Re: The Red Menace Chronicles
« Reply #7 on: May 17, 2020, 05:09:25 PM »
Stator on order, figured I better tackle the oil leaks while I was at it.  2 leaky spots, the cam chain tensioner and the kickstart decomp lever. 







You'll have to turn your head, imgur insisted on rotating my photo.
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« Reply #8 on: May 19, 2020, 01:24:06 PM »
I hope you get the Red Menace running reliably enough for some dual sport riding.  With many destinations not being visitor friendly yet, I'm hoping to do a forestry service road, forestry rec site camp/trip some time soon.  It would be great to get a few dual sport riders out for such a trip.

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« Reply #9 on: June 01, 2020, 08:35:50 PM »
I've been collecting bits and bobs and getting them installed as they arrive.  First was a seal for the decomp.  The manual said "remove sping and pull out shaft"  Google said " remove the retaining pin first".  I had to get Jeff to do so, it was in there pretty good.  Next was an oring for the cam chain tensioner.  That ended up being a fairly easy job once the cam cover was off.  Stator arrived on Saturday, so I got the side case off and cleaned up and now have the new one installed.  That should be it for the engine other than a good bath.

Next will be cleaing up the exhaust and beating the joint back into shape.  It was really stuck at the midpipe when I was removing it, misusing a screwdriver as a chisel/prybar was in order.  Had to buy the new seal there as well. 

It coming along.  I hope it starts when I'm all said and done....
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Re: The Red Menace Chronicles
« Reply #10 on: June 05, 2020, 08:34:38 AM »
The header cleaned up pretty good, now to get some exhaust paint.



Not too sure what to do about this end though....



Can tell this thing has been "Farmer'd" a bit.  There was a sheetmetal screw holding the exhaust shield on.


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Re: The Red Menace Chronicles
« Reply #11 on: June 08, 2020, 10:10:32 PM »
Neil did some welding up of the exhaust and I painted it up.  Got everything put back together over the last couple evenings.  After getting the cam cover back on, I found that all the valves were tight, so got them adjusted to spec.

https://youtu.be/23IT9I_a7rM

Started first kick.  And second kick, and third kick.....  I'm probably jinxing myself.
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Re: The Red Menace Chronicles
« Reply #12 on: June 09, 2020, 09:40:31 AM »
Excellent.

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« Reply #13 on: June 09, 2020, 12:13:15 PM »
Now she's marking her territory......

Leaking out from where the stator wiring comes through the case, should have used some sealant there I guess.  Mumble grumble.
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« Reply #14 on: June 09, 2020, 04:38:39 PM »
Now she's marking her territory......

Leaking out from where the stator wiring comes through the case, should have used some sealant there I guess.  Mumble grumble.

Isn't the stator in a dry/non oil area?